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I almost did not listen because of the title of this talk: The Church Must Wake Up - lost cause.

Some valuable input, but for me the wheels fell off this cart many times.

Anything I say is highly likely to be misunderstood because I have a totally different worldview,

However, I will make a few basic comments.

Church: pay up, shut up and all will be well in the next life.

State: pay up, shut up and all will be well in this life.

The church is arguably a capitalist institution because it is based on the power pyramid structure.

Power is often based upon paper qualifications, not proven, mature, spiritual leadership.

The churches are perpetual spiritual nursery schools, which discourage spiritual growth and maturity and enable spiritual abortion and infantile paralysis.

The churches serve the bread and wine of compromise - the Nicholaitans - not the pure bread and wine of the gospel.

Christians are often humanists, capitalists, even atheists, whatever, with christian icing on top.

Separation of church and state is arguably just another lie - we are unitary not divided beings.

Expecting an atheistic state to stay out of church business is totally unrealistic.

Only if both church and state are theistic can there be unity.

Family, church and state can only be unified if all are in submission to the One.

Family, church and state sovereignty can only be achieved in submission to the sovereignty of the One.

We live in an imperfect world, so we cannot achieve perfection, only do the best we can.

However, we have to examine our foundations very carefully, if we want our house to stand.

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